Tina Dabi and Reservation Controversy



Tina Dabi is the UPSC Civil Services 2015 topper. She achieved this feat at the age of 22 years. Naturally, she deserves all appreciation, and young girls throughout India are seeing to her as their role model. There is another fact which makes this success even more satisfying; her being an SC/Dalit. Many, including a BJP MP, has congratulated her and quoted Napolean where he had said that ‘ability is nothing without opportunity’. True and hence this success story of a young girl must be admired.


But, there is another case. Tina has obviously used her constitutional right of reservation. With the help of reservation, today she is an IAS. There is nothing wrong in this. People who are criticizing her should also note the fact that she has done exceptionally well in the Main – Written – Examination. She did sail through the Preliminary because of reservation.





Ankit Srivastava and His Anger


A ‘failed’ UPSC Civil Services aspirant was in frustration looking for marks of various candidates when an idea stuck to him to see the marks obtained by Tina Dabi. He was shocked to see that he has more marks than Tina Dabi in Civil Services Preliminary Examination. The topper has got 35 less marks than a candidate who couldn’t even clear the Preliminary stage, which is intended to weed out non-serious candidates. Obviously, Ankit Srivastava was a serious candidate. You can also check relevant information related to marks on the official website of UPSC.






This is not a standalone case. Reserved category candidates do get far much fewer marks than General Category candidates. And, given the current situation, this is not a big fuss. Then, what’s the problem and why do aspirants are getting frustrated? Are Civil Services aspirants not able to see the system of social justice?


That may not be the true picture, as we will see below.



The Need for Review of Reservation


As you know, the term ‘creamy layer’ is applied with OBC Category candidates. It doesn’t come into the picture when the candidate is an SC/ST. This is the constitutional system vouched by the Supreme Court of India.


But, people belonging to SC/ST category needs to ponder over this prevailing system. Tina Dabi is a living example for them.


Tina’s grandfather was an officer with the CISR. He used reservation to get there. He earned enough money to let his children live life with dignity without any social discrimination. I am talking about money because your financial condition has become the main point of your status in the society.


Tina’s father, Jaswant Dabi, used reservation and took admission in the prestigious Birla Higher Secondary School, Pilani. Then, he again used reservation to get into Delhi School of Engineering from where he completed B. Tech in 1986. Again, he used reservation to enter the Government sector by clearing Indian Engineering Services – IES – conducted by the UPSC and joined the Telecom Department. He didn’t stop there and used reservation to get promotion.






Currently, Mr. Jaswant Dabi is the General Manager of the Northern Telecom Project Circle of BSNL.


Coming to his better half, Ms. Himani Dabi – she used reservation to get admission into REC, Bhopal, now Maulana Azad National Institute of Technology, Bhopal. She used reservation and cracked IES. 


So, both of Tina’s parents are highly successful. Tina has always got high level of education. She never faced or saw any economic issues. She never felt the problem of social stigma related to caste. She is also quite a sensitive girl. Then, the question arises – should not have she avoided being in the reserved category? Had she avoided being in the reserved category, the beneficiary would have been another, might be needy, dalit. This is why some are demanding review of reservation.


Having said that, I must say that I am using Tina Dabi here just for an example. Tina is a wonderful young girl who will definitely become a role model of young girls of India. It should also be mentioned that she needed reservation only for once - to crack Prelims. In the later stage, she topped the exam and mark sheet of Mains Examination available on the UPSC website can say much about her. 



How Tina Used Reservation in Her Advantage



The obvious question is why and on what merit one should use the privilege of ‘reservation’ or affirmative action if his/her parents have used it and he/she is no longer deprived socially or educationally – leaving aside economic deprivation as the Constitution of India doesn’t consider economic status of a person worthy of breaking the notion of Fundamental Right of Equality.


How can one justify Tina Dabi getting through Civil Services Prelims with the help of reservation? Being born in a Dalit family should not be a merit as she never faced any sort of deprivation. Further, the current generation should not be punished for acts done by his/her forefathers. Some calls it racism – a positive racism, though.


The question arises here that how did Tina Dabi use the reservation in her favor? There is no denying that she is an intelligent young girl who had performed exceptionally well throughout. Her Mains score is also quite good. But, how did the topper can’t cross the cut off marks prescribed for General Category candidates when she easily crossed the hurdle in the Mains examination?


The answer lies in the way she has prepared this examination. She had made thorough plan to crack this with best possible rank. For that, she didn’t prepare for Prelims. She was completely aware of the fact that if she prepare well for Mains Examination, which is of subjective nature, she will easily crack Prelims using her SC status. So there was no mugging up of facts and there was no perspiration for one month before Preliminary examination faced by General Category candidates.


She is a smart girl and directly prepared for Mains phase and the result shows her ‘smartness’.


In the end, it must be noted that what Ankit Srivastava is saying may not be correct. As you might know, UPSC didn’t use Paper 2 for cut off - that was made just qualifying in nature after mass protest against CSAT. The cut off was wholly decided on the basis of Paper 1. And, hence saying that Tina had 35 marks less than Ankit may not be correct.



The cut off for General Category candidates was 107.34. Hence, she had around 11 marks less than last candidate of General Category. Notwithstanding this fact, one should also remember that candidates did give sufficient time for Paper 2 also which Tina was not required to give. In the overall scenario, she had upper hand from the very point she started the preparation. 







Tina Dabi and Kuldeep Dwivedi 



Leave aside Mr. Ankit Srivastava as many are arguing that being a failed candidate he is just making an issue out of frustration.


Take the example of Kuldeep Dwivedi. He is a Brahmin by caste and hence can’t be privileged to get age relaxation, more number of attempts, concession in fees and above all low minimum qualifying marks – cut off. But, why should one choose Kuldeep Dwivedi who got 242 All India Rank? Is it fair to compare AIR 1 to AIR 242?



Kuldeep Dwivedi, AIR - 242



The comparison becomes necessary to focus on economic background. Kuldeep’s father is a security guard working with Lucknow University. If you are thinking that he is having a government job then you are wrong. Surya Kant Dwivedi, the father of Kuldeep, is working for SIS Securities which has a contract with Lucknow University and hence he drew salary from SIS. Before joining SIS, he paid Rs. 1200 to the company as a security for dress. Being an upper caste, he can’t claim any social security. He doesn’t hold any ‘red card’ for PDS. He is not considered Below Poverty Line, because this line is factually incorrect and a person earning Rs. 8000 per month can't be under BPL category, but that can be easily gotten by someone belonging to so-called low caste.


Tina father is General Manager with BSNL. Her mother is also an IES. She had always lived in Delhi without any overt or covert economic issues or even social issues.

Tina made history with her first attempt. Kuldeep did that in his 3rd attempt. However, had there been reservation for economically weaker section of upper caste, Kuldeep could have also cracked in his first attempt. Narsingh Rao Government had provided reservation of 10% for economically weak upper caste, but in the famous Mandal Case the Supreme Court of India termed that unconstitutional citing Constitutional mandate where the state can go for affirmative action only for 'socially and educationally' backward castes/classes/people. But, let us scratch a bit. What if the family of an upper caste has a history of illiteracy? And, what if the family of a so called lower caste has a history of higher education? 


There can be many examples, including Kuldeep whose father might not be educated or even his forefathers. Or, for that matter Meira Kumar - former Lok Sabha Speaker and Cabinet Minister to the Govt. of India -  who was educated from Welham School, Gayatri Devi School, Delhi University and was the daughter of seasoned Congress politician former Deputy Prime Minister Babu Jagjivan Ram. Do you know Meira Kumar had cracked UPSC Civil Services Examination in 1969-70 and went for IFS using reservation? Those were before Kothari Committee days and cracking Civil Services used to be quite easy for SC/ST Category candidates. She or her family was not educationally backward. Her father at that time was Cabinet Minister in Indira Gandhi Government, and in fact was a Cabinet Minister since Nehru Interim Government of 1946. Hence, she was also not socially backward. Another example is Chitra Narayanan, daughter of former President K. R. Narayanan who used reservation and cracked UPSC Civil Services Examination. At that time, her father was a High Commissioner. In fact, Late K. R. Narayanan was a favorite diplomat of Nehru and served in many countries. Do you think Chitra Narayanan was socially or educationally backward? Do you think the motive of 'social inclusion' applies with likes of Chitra or Meira Kumar? They are, in fact, obstructing likes of Sandeep Kumar to overcome social discrimination. Sandeep Kumar - CSE 2015, AIR 780 - is a dalit who has cracked Civil Services this year. His father is no more and the family is living in a slum in Delhi. There can be many more Sandeep Kumar if well off Dalits don't use reservation.


Who should be your role model – Kuldeep with 242 rank in 3rd attempt or Tina with 1st Rank in her 1st attempt?


Kuldeep Dwivedi has fetched far much more marks than Tina Dabi in Civil Services Prelims. He had to devote time for Prelims, while Tina started Mains preparation directly.



Tina is just one of thousands of Dalits who have exploited the reservation system and didn't let it perform the way it was expected to. Children of IAS officers of SC category are easily cracking Civil Services or IIT JEE and CAT, among other prestigious competitive exams. While dalits living in rural hinterlands are unable to cope up with new competition that even they are seeing in their category. It is not about Tina Dabi, it is about other SC candidates who could have ‘rightfully’ used the reservation policy.


Briefly take a look at last year's top five candidates of SC Category and see their profiles:



Do you know who was topper among SC Category last year? His name is Saketa Raja Musinipally with All India Rank 14 and 1st in SC Category. His mother is a retired IAS Officer who fought last Lok Sabha Election on Aam Aadmi Party ticket. His father is a retired IPS Officer. Do you think he need reservation? Both of his parents had used reservation to crack UPSC Civil Services.


2nd rank holder Harshal Pancholi's father is a Panchayat Inspector and local Congress leader in Ujjain. He has studied from Navodaya Vidyalaya, Kendriya Vidyalaya and then did B. Tech and M. Tech from IIT Kanpur. He is quite an intelligent and helpful guy. I wonder why did he decide to use reservation.


Priyanka B with AIR 133 and 3rd in SC Category had used reservation to study in IIM Bangalore, PGDM, and then cracked Civil Services in 2013 and got IRS. Again, she used reservation last year and got IAS. So, an IIM alumni and IRS officer was using reservation for third time. She also belongs to a very rich family.


Next, Ms. Bhanu PrabhaAIR 160 and 4th in General Category. She had used reservation for B. Tech from NSIT, Delhi, topper Ira Singhal was also from this college, and then took admission in IIM Ahmedabad. She again used reservation for Civil Services. 


MUTTIMBAKU ABHISHIKTH KISHORE – AIR 166 and 5th in SC Category. This guy has not used reservation for graduation as he has done B. Tech from SRM University, Chennai. However, he is from a well to do family with father working with Andhra Bank as a Zonal manager and mother working as a principal at a college in Nellore, AP.

And, the list is endless where we see undeserving candidates exploiting the reservation to keep away poor candidate of their own community. Obviously, these affluent people have not done anything illegal. But, they have definitely did something unethical. 





IITs and IIMs are called temple of education in India. Call it temple, mosque, church or whatever you want. But, do you think the status of 'temple of modern education' remain intact when an IITian uses reservation to get a Government job in India? We need to seriously ponder over it. 





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  1. Wonderfully said but dont you think Tina dabi parents is above the cream layer and they should not use the reservation. also if someone is from general category and he is poor don't you think we are discriminateing him cozz he is from general category. Now govt should stop doing this kind of injustice.

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    1. creamy layer gets applied to only OBC not SC/ST. sad state i say..

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    2. Thanks for writing this. I have few remarks.

      Firstly, you have again and again said that Tina Dabi has never faced any social discrimination. It might actually be true and it looks true but you don't have substantive evidence to back it up. Only Tina Dabi can substantiate it.

      Second, I think Tina Dabi is an outlier observation in a statistical study. She is an exception. I come from the same fold and I have in 28 yrs of my life seen two people who are rich, powerful and dalits. Yes, only two people in my whole life of 28yrs who have availed more than two generation of reservations. So people make sometimes prejudiced assumption that economically strong dalits don't face social discrimination. I myself is an example of this. I have always been economically strong, almost got all normal needs met. (Owning a merc is luxury not a need). I have been given the best student award in my PG. But i have faced dozens of incident of caste discrimination. Last one was only two days back, I was called a "gandi naali ka keeda", "beggar" and many other caste names. My only "crime" was that when we talk about the upliftment of dalts, equality and reservations... we should encourage dalit voices too, the voice from the other side.

      Also, I would request you include statistical surveys/social reserach which have been done on this issue.

      I do consider that economic disadvantage is a huge disadvantage in today's world. I would love a review a reservations and include other disadvantages faced by people in society. Like extra points for somebody who is poor, extra points if somebody is from a rural area, extra point for sombody who has caste disadvatage, extra points for gender diadvantage, extra points if somebody is first one from his/her family to get a job or get a college degree. I still believe caste is a huge disadvantage.

      Caste is a disadvantage and being a muslim sometimes even bigger... there is more chances of success in the market for somebody who has an equal education when compared to people who are from disadvantaged sections.

      Please do read some emperical research done by former UGC chairman and JNU professor emirteus, Sukhdeo Thorat.

      Thanks

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    3. http://www.epw.in/journal/2016/8/special-articles/prejudice-against-reservation-policies.html

      This academic paper might be behind a paywall. But do read.

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    4. Brother, Suppose thr r 2 students from a similar economical background. Studied in same school, same college...but one got Job although scored less marks nd second failed to qualify having more marks.. Now u say Is this not a descrimination In the name of reservation...
      If all lower cast people r not rich then also Not all Upper caste people r.
      Main problem is in Our Constitution n in our thinking.
      One is gets benefit always justify that by any mean.
      The Purpose for what the Reservation was created never fulfilled n reason was not Upper caste things... You say how many lower caste people u hav seen u got benefited due to reservation n then helped in other's upliftment.
      Hunger doesnot see caste.
      So, if reservation should be given and you think that still lower caste people r poor then Advocate that Reservation should be given on Economical status not on caste or creed.
      And ya regarding research papers, i think we all hv eyes n ears to sense whats going on in our society n country no need to refer any other' s sense.

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    5. @Independent Journalism - Tina is not an exception in the study she is the most common observation. If what u r saying about ur own experience is true then that is an exception. I have studied with numerous SC/ST in my graduation and post graduation n there has never ever been any discrimination whatsoever with any of them. Infact most of us dnt evn know who among us is from reserved category. N ppl i knew who belonged to reserved category were quite well off ppl with economic status far better than many ppl in general category since their previous generation have benefitted from reservation and been uplifted. Not nly me every gen category student in this country studies with SC/ST given the quota system in our education system and i am sure each one of them can vouch for what i m saying. So plz stop playing this dalit or minority card. What u r saying is not at all true in general although thr may b an exception.

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    6. guys she got air1,she got around 1100 marks which is more than the marks secured by a general candidates,its true in primils she did not get good marks but look at the overall result.why the candidate which secured air2 could not get the air1,he was general candidate and obviously he secured more marks in primils than Tina dabi but why he still got air2,let me tell you why because she has the potential.so stop posting these Bullshits,instead of wasting your time in frustration study hard otherwise next year too you will be posting these craps here and another deserving candidate like Tina dabi will get air1.one more thing I saw posting on fb that I wish mai bhi SC hota,you can't imagine how much these dalits have suffered,seriously this is far beyond your imagination.even after the independence people belong to dalits community afraid to tell anyone their caste because people then start treating them in a different way.2 days back one of BJP MLA and some dalits tried to visit a temple and they were beaten badly.So as long as this fear remain between the dalits,reservation is necessary,our society still don't accept a dalit getting air1 which is clearly shown here.At last I want to ask question from all of you Is any poor general candidate ever discriminated on the basis of his/her caste?I think the answer will be No,but even I IPS is also discriminated on the basis of his/her caste....so stop wasting your time in frustration and start preparing for competitive exams.

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    7. @vishal Gupta...Bhai kya bol rha h...kuch bhi bol rha h..yaar think before writing...
      "Infact most of us dnt evn know who among us is from reserved category. N ppl i knew who belonged to reserved category were quite well off ppl with economic status far better than many ppl in general category"
      how do i know that rest people belong to general category n very bad economically. If u don't know about every one ": ):) read it twice..may u can understand what u r writing:)

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    8. @vishal Gupta...Bhai kya bol rha h...kuch bhi bol rha h..yaar think before writing...
      "Infact most of us dnt evn know who among us is from reserved category. N ppl i knew who belonged to reserved category were quite well off ppl with economic status far better than many ppl in general category"
      how do i know that rest people belong to general category n very bad economically. If u don't know about every one ": ):) read it twice..may u can understand what u r writing:)

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    9. @Independent Journalism By telling that in all your years you have known only two people who are rich and from a lower caste, you are pointing at only what you have seen. So stop using that to generalize that this is an outlier case. You have already committed your first logical fallacy. And you are asking for people to stop generalizing.

      Secondly the post is stressing on creamy layer (rich) of SC and ST castes discriminating against others from her own caste. A seat which could have gone to a poor from SC/ST has gone to her now.

      @Vipin Kalyan Yes all people commenting here are wasting time,as we don't create laws and don't influence them, so all of this is a bit of head-scratching. That doesn't mean people can't reveal their thoughts online. Yes, there is caste discrimination, and at one time it was a big issue. But there are different forms of discrimination- caste is one of them, gender is another, economic background, skin color,etc.are others.Economic background is the greatest discrimination in today's world. And most from lower caste fall in this category. Stop protecting the interests of the 1%. Think about the 99%.

      Everyone is created equal is present in the Indian constitution.Why does the general caste have to bear discrimination? Then why do poor general caste students have to pay for sins their ancestors have done. Is this today's law? Do the germs of the ancestors still flow through our veins, that you want to beat it out?

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    10. @Independent Journalism, I would agree on some of your points. But I feel benefit should be given to those and those only who need it.
      Let us focus on the betterment and upliftment of all the Dalits who are still below the poverty line and way far from literacy.
      It is just not acceptable that someone is taking advantage of reservation for three generation. I feel it is a system error and needs to be corrected. Not because some deserving guy from open category gets a chance, but some dalit who actually deserves can get benefited.

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    11. @Ashutosh Singh - I said that I have seen only two examples where anybody has availed reservation benefit for more than two generations.

      @Ashutosh Singh and @Vishal Gupta
      Have you guys read the academic paper that I shared above?
      this might be some boring stuff. But if we are indulging ourselves in a debate, lets try to raise the bar... make it more intellectual. So the academic paper I have shared talks about the emerical research on the topic of reservation and prejudice against it. Please do read. I am an economics student currently who is fascinated by the emerical research in the field of economics of discrimination...

      http://www.epw.in/system/files/pdf/2016_51/8/Prejudice_against_Reservation_Policies_0.pdf

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    12. We all know this reservation system in our country is not vanishing anytime soon.. So had Tina applied in general category (n cleared prelims).. She would have taken a general category seat this would clearly be a loss for general candidates.. Coz that SC category seat which she did not take would anyhow benefit an SC candidate only..

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    15. I disagree with Vishal.
      I am a general category myself. And I still see caste discrimination, whether it's college or it's family. I am a Thakur and my father and his Friends hate dalits. Let me tell you an incident of 3-4 days ago. I work for an NGO and we were awarded and got our picture in the newspaper. The leader of our team is a dalit. My father said "Ye chamaron ye sath kaam karti ho tum". So you know this is the situation.
      And the team leader, her name is Pooja mistry, she is rich , too rich, but since I am close to her. She share her stories of discrimination to me.
      So, please don't say that dalits do not face discrimination. I am an eye witness to some of the horrible incidents.

      But yes, I can agree to this point, that reservations should be based on financial status of a person.
      But you know, it's so easy to arrange a fake income certificate.
      Take my case, my mother is government employee, she earns above 6 lakhs annually and my father runs a hospital, I don't really need a scholarship, but I have a fake income certificate of my father and I can easily claim a scholarship of 56-60 thousand. Why???
      And saying that it's an exception, is a lame excuse.
      Give us ratios and research work.

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    16. I disagree with Vishal.
      I am a general category myself. And I still see caste discrimination, whether it's college or it's family. I am a Thakur and my father and his Friends hate dalits. Let me tell you an incident of 3-4 days ago. I work for an NGO and we were awarded and got our picture in the newspaper. The leader of our team is a dalit. My father said "Ye chamaron ye sath kaam karti ho tum". So you know this is the situation.
      And the team leader, her name is Pooja mistry, she is rich , too rich, but since I am close to her. She share her stories of discrimination to me.
      So, please don't say that dalits do not face discrimination. I am an eye witness to some of the horrible incidents.

      But yes, I can agree to this point, that reservations should be based on financial status of a person.
      But you know, it's so easy to arrange a fake income certificate.
      Take my case, my mother is government employee, she earns above 6 lakhs annually and my father runs a hospital, I don't really need a scholarship, but I have a fake income certificate of my father and I can easily claim a scholarship of 56-60 thousand. Why???
      And saying that it's an exception, is a lame excuse.
      Give us ratios and research work.

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  2. A must read for whoever has written and posted this as well as for others who support reservation system in its current form http://www.indiatropes.com/IndiaTropes/PostServlet?id=73

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  3. Truth is People for General Category.
    Avoid these exams most of the time coz they know no matter how much they score.
    They are likely to be rejected.
    Average student like me too knew reservation won't get a chance..
    Its either work hard or go for Pvt. Jobs..

    I wish we could sue this policy of Govt.

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  4. Financially stable person doesnt mean that it will not face caste discriminations..... even this page is biased

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    1. Really? Lets say there is a wealthy Dalit business man in you town. Would anyone dare to discriminate him on the basis of his caste? Don't people respect him because he's well off?
      How else do you think can we end such discrimination?

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    3. I am a journalist. For a story about the rise of dalit entrepreneurs in 2011, I talked to many dalit industralists. Many of them were doing businesses worth more than 100 crores. They acknowledge that caste discrimination does exists. They told me of instances when other businessman refused to do business with them because of their caste.

      I recently watch a beautiful marathi movie Sairat about inter case marriages. The film's director says, Caste discrimination exists everywhere in India. Its like gravity. you can get rid of caste only when you go to space.

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    4. So from what you are saying being economically superior is not solving the issue of discrimination anyway. So what is the point of providing those economically superior people from the backward castes with reservation and making them more econmically superior. If money is the problem, then there is no point of helping the people who already have it. If it is not, then we are not providing the right kind of help anyways.

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    5. @Independent Journalism. I am from General Category, but economically not backward. I had worked day and night for my CET to get into good Engineering College, but i was cut-off by 3-marks. But my friend who did not even bother to study and just got passing marks and her parents are in Govt positions and own 4bunglows in bangalore. She got into one of the best Engineering college just cz of reservations. I am not telling that all reservation should be removed. Am just saying reservations should be there for them who r worthy, intelligent enough but cant get into good colleges due to monetary issues. They should get reservations not people like Tina Dabi.

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    6. @Independent Journalism. I am from General Category, but economically not backward. I had worked day and night for my CET to get into good Engineering College, but i was cut-off by 3-marks. But my friend who did not even bother to study and just got passing marks and her parents are in Govt positions and own 4bunglows in bangalore. She got into one of the best Engineering college just cz of reservations. I am not telling that all reservation should be removed. Am just saying reservations should be there for them who r worthy, intelligent enough but cant get into good colleges due to monetary issues. They should get reservations not people like Tina Dabi.

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    7. @Raghav..very well said.. N ppl who says that caste discrimination exist in India then that is not limited to lower caste only. Its for everyone. There are punjabis or gujrati or marwaris or sindhis or kanadda or telgu or bengali or many other who wants to do business with their own caste only n not with ne other caste. That discrimination exist for everyone. Its nt only jn India its everywhr. Racism still exist in western world, discrimination against jews by Christians still exist in all parts of globe It doesn't need reservation. It needs people mind n perspective to change. As raghav correctly said if economic upliftment of lower caste is nt relieving them from caste discrimination then whats the point of reservation.

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    8. @Ragav Economic superiority definitely reduces caste discrimination but it doesn't eradicate it completely. Most important of all it changes the forms of discrimination.

      In terms of economic prosperity, I consider myself to be among 0.1% of all SC/ST population. Please read my experience here - https://www.quora.com/What-is-it-like-to-be-a-lower-caste-Indian/answer/Praveen-Kumar-2609?__snids__=1641295622&__nsrc__=1&__filter__=all

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    9. Most importantly, economic prosperity is irrelevant in debate of reservations for SC/ST. Reservation is not a poverty allevation programme, it is intended to provide adequate respresentation to people from marginalised section too... which should be done if we want to be called ourselves as the world's largest democracy. Democracy is hypocrisy if all sections of its populations doesn't have representation.

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    10. @mr.myself day before yesterday a bjp mla along with some dalits tried to visit a temple n they were beaten for trying to do so.. So do you really think that money can solve the problem.. Obviously the mla was well off.., then why such reaction .. N this is an incident of dehradun a state capital..not any small back ward village where such are things are common..

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    11. In the entire article where is the author saying caste discrimination doesn't exist...it does...and its a plague...but wat ms.Dabi is doing is harming not only the general category students but also backward students...besides if the argument is that educational and economic stability is not reducing social discrimination then this system is evidently a failure...and more reason for it to be changed

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  5. Very good article.
    The logic behind it that one who is not deprived from the basic resorces,infact when they are well eqipped with it, then they must not take the reservations, for just by chance you belongs to that caste.

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  6. Exactly.....and people are so biased when we initiate a simple debate on knocking off the economically sound class from the purview of reservations.

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  7. While preparing civil services we should keep a job in hand for safety. Change of system will take time.
    take example of microsoft chief nadela, who graduated from ordinary college. Any ias can not stand before him.
    Why r we giving so much importance for babu job.

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    1. You have got this wrong. Who do you think has a better chance of changinv the nation, nadella or a well reserved and patritic IAS officer.?

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    2. obviously nadella..haven't seen any ias doing much benefit to the nation as a whole

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    3. Well you are so wrong.... all the major govt. policies whether its in a city, village or a whole district are implemented and monitored by those IAS officers whom you have not heard of and not by Nadella

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    4. @sandhiya you seriously need a reality check.That part of yours describes businessman as a game changer not society changer.There is a big big loophole in your thinking.A bizman can only effect policies by "lobbying" and that can not be in more favour than his own

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  8. Reservation is the biggest factor for discrimination in our country. It was started to bring everyone at equilibrium. I feel that now there is no need of reservation system as it is deteriorating the country's progress.

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  10. Due to such people Indian youth is forced to leave the country


    shame!!!!!!!!

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  11. I don't understand why do people start talking about reservation system at first point of discussion.why don't we think first that why this system does exist.if we want to eradicate some system then try to eradicate its root.reservation is not our prime problem.it exists because of cast system.if people are really fed up with reservation then first start abolishing your sir name n just become a human..no pandit no thakur..just a human being. Start marrying in other community.i always see many people always search for bride/groom in their own community.if we all are same then why people or their family members search for suitable grooms/bride in their respective cast.why have we made marriage system like a reservation? Why r we not against this reservation?until or unless we all will not mix up with each other we should not expect equality. one thing more why pandits/or other people are not ready to abolish their cast. Reservation system is just a repercussion of cast system.it maintains stability in lower cast peoples mind that as they are bifurcated in the society because of their cast, in same way general people are suffering with some problem. It is same like if someone hurts u at first u try to hurt him back.first change in attitude is required trough out in india including small villages.castism exists in india in 20th century,
    This is hard but admit this fact.jai hind

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    2. Topic is about education.....not marriage ....question for u....would u give ur life in hands of a doctor who got admisson in medical clg by just reservation or in hands of a doctor who got admisson by scoring high grades.........plz ans.. bcaz a doctor's surname ll not treat u...

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    3. Do you think getting out of medical college is based on reservation? Performance in a medical college is based on reservation? Really?

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    4. @lalitdhaka it wont matter as far as he is a gud guy. Do really scores of your college matter while marrying, seems so funny.!! the problem starts from here itself then why asking to remove reservation if u had your disrespect for such people..

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    5. Yes.. Getting out might not be but getting in absolutely!!

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    6. @lalit..if u think that if u have topped in entrance exam then u only will be the topper in class,then dude u r sleeping..wake up man...rest u can understand..Second thing doctor job is "practice"a continuous learning process, by just mugging up some books n getting highest marks doesn't make u good doctor.until or unless u can't respect a patient,u can't be a good doctor irrespective of ur caste or marks.bhai when u go to a doctor u ask his grades in mbbs or patients review??

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    7. There are some few ponts, I would like to talk upon, i don't have very good knowledge of all the laws prevailing in our constitution and made up in side the parliament.But, answer to reservation, we can get by thinking on some of given points:-
      1.After independence,there were a group of people who were provided reservation because they had faced cast based discrimination which affected their basic human rights.They were not treated equal that time and even now,most of them.So,reservation was justified.
      2.I had heard of someone saying that reservation was initiated in parliament for a certain period of time in which they were thought to improve their status as par with general categories.But,it was extended.Because improvement was not at that scale or only some strata of those people were benefiting from the reservation policy.So, overall scenario remained same.They were still needing reservation and even now they need,because still majority of them live in bad economic conditions and aren't not even aware of benefits government provide to them for higher education and government jobs.So,Beneficiaries are outliers. Reservation didn't had uniform impact.
      3.In today's environment, I believe that status(social) of people in society is more kind linked to their economic status and the work value they perform.People had increasingly left the idea of watching different caste from double vision.They appreciate them for their work value(I have always mentioned work value in place of work,because also a security guard from Brahmin family didn't get respect.)because of his low value of work or income.They are treated
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      4.Is social(in today's world economic and social status are almost merging to represent overall standard of living) status inherited?If it changes across the generation? Answer is yes.Basically and fully reservation was provided because some section of people didn't exhibited basic human rights.
      So, if a generation of them did very well then, why not there status is updated and they are treated equally to all of us.Because we are not updating status in social or economic terms,children of those people will exhibit rights they didn't require which is actually causing second kind of discrimination.So,They should be made devoid of facilities they don't require.
      5.As always from initially, my thinking was to why not create an income based reservation.What's the problem?I have heard some people saying that government fears taking such decisions as they will lose elections if they did take such decisions because majority of us are them.But,why should someone will vote against government if most of them are low income people and will still get reservation as per this proposed system of reservation people always talk about.Ya,this can happen,that government willingly want castes division for playing caste politics.And still some elections in big states are influenced heavily by this thinking.So, suppose for time being that some government get the courage to do this, there will be issue in passing bill because of majority is needed in parliament,as leaders will never let them pass from opposing parties because this is the basis of their vote bank.So,in order to pass this kind of law,we (major parties in central) need to unite to take decision which will be best for all of us.
      6.And,lastly the measure challenge lie in how to evaluate income or value status of different people working at different levels in society to consider it for reservation.What should be the measure of qualification for reservation? I prefer it to be linked with bank balance and all kind of property value.We need to make an un-fraudulent system for this, computer based.My thinking is future oriented.Now,let's see how much time will take for this system to change.Actually, we need lot of good people there in the parliament for this to happen.

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    8. Well said Mr Blogger....that's the point we should be debating..can we ever think of removing the caste system...let's have our name as our identity..no surname...I still believe in equality for food, for shelter , equality as an individual and most importantly for education. Can we focus on education..that's the best way to eradicate any humiliation over caste....today how many people working in a corporate discuss caste system..yes there might be a few and those are exceptions...but there is no time to think over it. Can any government take strong step towards removing the caste system and allow reservation basis on the financial condition of a person. There are many people in this country who don't even have that kind of money to help their children to go for higher studies.Can we identify those people and candidates in our country and help them. It's very much possible if we have an intent to do this. We all need to change our mindset and our thinking ...we need to think big ..big for our country and for our people...

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    9. Hi,

      As you admitting that still the backward castes needed reservations to uplift them. Then can you mention, how many more years that you required reservations? how can you make all the lower caste benefited? We already crossed 60 years of independence so how many people from lower castes are benefited??May be 20% of Lower castes?? or even less? Then how will you uplift the remaining 80% of lower castes?Then how many more years do we need reservations?? if you think this aspect you may got clear idea that reservations is not the right tool to remove the inequalities in society. Think about the inequalities its created because of reservations..
      If 10 to 50 people in lower castes are benefited due to reservation more than 3000 to 5000 people of different castes are suffering due to reservations.

      When i looked at the answer gave by Blogger to lalith make me laugh..
      Doctor doesn't able to clear the minimum score and secured medical seat.. how can he do practise?? These type of Doctors will go and join either in GHS hospitals or establishing private hospitals and treating people without having minimum knowledge. We have seen more number of doctors and hospitals like these. And this is one of the reason why people of middle class are not going to govt hospitals.

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    10. @psskm..bhai don't mind but first of all u r making a fool of urself if u think that few grades decide someone knowledge n talent..there r no of stories of last benchers who proved themself later.n one advice for u also, never be a father like that who thinks that grades r everything...pardon me if u r hurt...n rahi baat govt hospital ki..bhai jao wahan or ja ke dekho..who told u that govt hospitals r vacant...u will not find a single berth vacant..bcoz of emergency, people have to go pvt hospitals or sometime more facilities r available in pvt hospitals compare to govt hospital.

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  12. Good point bro, especially about that intercaste marriage, people of a particular class remain of that class as the heriditory seed is sown with in the class only

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  13. Good point bro, especially about that intercaste marriage, people of a particular class remain of that class as the heriditory seed is sown with in the class only

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  14. fhight for your right bro..

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  15. it is somebody choice whether to marriage with same caste or not..and many people r doing to intercaste marriages..but this should not be made rule that if u r this castr then even u get less marks u will get the better job..better college..and reseration was meant for 15 years but not only its period has been made till infinite but more n more castes r being included in reservations..and their share has also increased very high..in tamil nadu thrre is 75% reservations..girls like tina dabi has proved that sc st obc can not only clear the exam but can also top the exam,..but she did it wrong way..i m sure had she given sevond attempt she would have cleared it with flying colors..reservation has killed thr talent

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    1. 1- reservation made for 15years to bring equality but purpose has not been fulfilled till now, thats why reservation system still exists.
      2-If intercaste marriage is there then how come word like honourkilling does exist.
      3- why people are talking about one day exam result when she had proved her self quite better than others in all other days. Why we r here to make herself feel guilty.respect her purpose n marks.

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    2. 1- reservation made for 15years to bring equality but purpose has not been fulfilled till now, thats why reservation system still exists.
      2-If intercaste marriage is there then how come word like honourkilling does exist.
      3- why people are talking about one day exam result when she had proved her self quite better than others in all other days. Why we r here to make herself feel guilty.respect her purpose n marks.

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  16. Dear blogger. Dont u think reservation is nt an antipoverty progg its fr representation on social lines..had upper caste been able to protect sc ppl frm atrocities.had there been no discrimination their wd have no resrvatn.tina dabi used jst her const right n some 'meritocratic' ppl targettd her personally.have u seen any reserved caste ppl targettng upper caste personally.they fight against system n nt against any individual.this is wat v have witnessed in dabis case. This case itself boast of casteism bcoz had she been obc no hue n cry wd hv bn there.as last yr topper also frm ph quota bt nobody said y she filled with ph.she was also rich.this is shear case ofcasteism n nothng else.ankit also knew ppr 2 was qualifying inspite of that he highlighted csat marks just to propagate his agenda.

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  17. Problem is wen sc ppl want debate on discriminatn then upper caste yell reservatn.wen sc want debate on atrocities,caste based residential segregation,no land resources fr 70 prcnt of dalits,no reporting fr FIR,sc cant marry outside caste else honor killing happens,alienation,caste based name calling all these 1000 of debates v want bt they want only just scrap reservatn..this is utter hypocricy.reservatn wil b eliminated bt 1st eliminate all.these issues 1st.its nt about tina dabi its about 17 crore indians

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    1. Correct gaurav....

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  18. Those who support this article please do read this article and justify this.

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Temple-purification-after-CM-Manjhis-visit-Bihar-orders-probe/articleshow/43821540.cms

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    1. Worst mentality of the temple priest here, I don't even consider this priest as a Hindu priest. We had a tradition where people like valmiki(lower class) went onto become maharishi braise of their hardworking and skills. Caste system has become a nuisance now and bad things within it should be completely eradicated.

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    2. Okay you are mentioning about the discrimination. How can you abolish?? will it be with reservations?? I heard a news that an MP is not allowed into temple with dalits.. so will the equality comes with reservations?? That need to be comes from human thinking but not from giving special reservations... Even i have seen so many people who used reservations and because of these reservation they haven't studied hard. They are in their minds that if i secured the minimum cut of marks that enough to him.. is this the objective of reservation?? i have seen many of my friends who enjoys reservations and even they are stating that they don't need to worry about their academics as if they just pass is sufficient to get govt jobs?? How much will it pain to a general guy who work hard?? will it not be equal to the prohibition of dalits in temples???

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  19. Factually incorrect, you cannot just play the victim card at your liberty. His father used the reservation to get promoted too. Long live India. Though one thing must be appreciated here, from a probable non-qualifier(prelims) to a topper (mains) , what a comeback, bravo girl

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    1. That's d positive side! Came back with a bang

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    2. That's d positive side! Came back with a bang

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  20. yup.........abhi tho party shuru huyi hey....har action ka tho reaction hotha hey bhaiya ji....abhii tho ye starting hey ...5000 sal tak tumne reservation ka maza liya hey ....wo bhi 100% reservation ....ab hmara chance hey...ab hum tho pichhe na hath rhe hey...

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    1. Bhai ab to ambedkar v dobara janm leke ye khne lge k caste based reservation khtm kr do, to use tum log pattharo se mar mar k khtm kr doge, ye **** blogger kh rha h "we need to seriously ponder over it" hahaha

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    2. Bhai tujhe bahar ki duniya pata hi nai.... tere jo real dalit hai woh abhi bhi pichhde hai... tumhare reservation me se khali 10% real needy people uae kar rahe hoge.... jo real dalit hai woh vaise hi rahte hai... because of u rich dalits poors are left behind

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  21. Now It is high time to get rid of Reservation system based on Cast. It should be ewuslt to all based on economic status if family. I read in the above article about who is a real hero in this CS Tina dabi or Kuldeep..Obviously it's Kuldeep who do not have enough finances to but still cleared the top most competitive exam of the country.He is the real hero who being economically week have made it. On the other side Tina Dabi musr been getting coaching from top institutes and secondly as a smart girl started preparing for my ns directly which helped her to be the topper. A general category does not mean he or she is rich enough to give support for their kids studies.Almost all the farmers of India ate in general category and majority of them are not able to clear the bank loan and decide to suicide.Now it's our government decisions n to think on the issue to bring eqality to all citizens of India.

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  22. Get rid of caste system you will get rid of reservation as well thats equality brothers open the eyes of ur mind before you criticize others

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  23. Actually .... U r not able to digest a dalit being the topper..... Actually the problem of general caste is, they want every thing, only by shloks ,,, hahaha,,, reservation is mandatory even in today's world, otherwise u people won't let dalit to live freely and hppily... Kyunk tmhare baap daada ko bhi kbhi dalit pasand nhi the.... Then how could u like them..... Inspite of motivating u always demoralise dalits, but U always forget that u do have 50% reservation in which u don't want interference,,, then how could we? .... Guys u hold every big seat not only bcoz u think u r intelligent but bcoz of JUGAAD .... Understood , without references and approach u r nothing,,, got it

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    1. With due respect, We dont hold 50% reservation. Those are open for merit( person from any caste can get those seats depending on the marks).

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    2. Just check cuoff of any exam in India(yes any). Who is nothing.all you people can do is become slave of political party and live without doing hard work.

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    3. Yr...you know one thing reservation not only stops a candidate of gen to get what he/she deserves but also DEACCELARATE THE EFFICTIVENESS OF THE SC/ST CONDIDATE. Reason is....as a human being everyone wants more by less work....So this approch of mind makes the sc/st candidates to performs less as compared to "which he can actually do" ..........if I am wrong then why a topper gets low marks as compared to the candidate who even not get selected.......I think she can study more for pre exam...but she is aware about the reservation....thats make her to get less marks in pre and.......thats makes a question mark on criteria of reservation and also on the existence of reservation...????

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    4. I studied in a private college which students from all castes attended. We always addressed everyone else by their first name and caste was never a topic of discussion or of any relevance. The reason for this was that everyone was well educated. Your comment and attitude clearly shows that you are either uneducated or simply very narrow minded. Try to think beyond things like chronic hatred and discrimination. Personally, I don't even know how to define humans as dalits or brahmins. Everyone has equal rights and should get equal opportunities.

      This article is just trying to state that the benefit of reservation should be taken based on the need and not availability. Lets say you live in a village where everyone is short due to malnutrition. To tackle it, the government installs a tap to supply milk in your village. But the tap is very high and villagers are not able to reach it. One smart guy in this village manages to get to the tap and gets milk for himself and his family. As a result, his children are healthy and taller than the other village kids. The taller children get all the milk they want while the shorter kids are still not able to avail the benefits. Is it not the responsibility of the benefited to help others in their community grow? The point is, mis-using reservation simply denies other students from the same communities a chance at success. Tina could have cracked the exam under general category also because she is smart and should have taken it up like a challenge. The seat she occupies today under the reserved category could have gone to a more deserving 'dalit' student who do not have Tina's resources at his/her disposal.

      I am sure that people liking this article do not hate dalits or any other community. It's just frustrating because a lot of them are from humbler backdround's than Tina's and understand ho competitive the world is.

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    5. That's the point....

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    6. The purpose of reservation was to ensure social equality. People often confuse economic equality with social equality. The compassion of creamy layer and non creamy layer is an example of that.the hindhi caste system is such that shudras(backward classes) did not have any kind of rights for centuries. They even did not have rights over natural resources like water. Once a born shudra ,had to die a shudra. they were restricted to doing works no others did like servant , cleaning toilets, carpentry . Coolie etc. This was for centuries.this is not just social discrimination. To understand what is social discrimination one has to face it. economic equality will not ensure social equality. Reservation was meant to be one of the tool to achieve social equality. It was meant for such backward persons like Tina to get in to such positions using reservation. This is one achievement of govt.
      People often speak of reservation as affecting upper caste candidates. Kindly go in to proper statistics. To my knowledge most of the opportunities be it employment or educational admission,may be around 80 % lie with private hold where reservation is not applicable. Most of the organizations are under the control of upper caste people. Where only donation or own caste people are allowed. How many are under management of backward class people. This reservation perhaps is being used as a tool to further disrupt harmony in society by pointing out that meritorious people of upper caste are being affected. In fact the attention from core issues like un employment, poverty, education, health etc

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  25. Everybody talks abt reservation,why these people never posted a single blog over caste system... will u ready to live with our caste name . Change ur surname n put banghi,chure,chmar,valmiki ... will u ..???

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  26. Everybody talks abt reservation,why these people never posted a single blog over caste system... will u ready to live with our caste name . Change ur surname n put banghi,chure,chmar,valmiki ... will u ..???

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  27. Nice Article...
    Actually sc and sts are going far behind.
    Especially those who haven't used reservation once in their life.
    Similarly candidates from Gen and Obc category have to work hard as in each exam cutoff is high

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    1. Wah bete obc se probleme nahi h lekin sc se hai..isi post k intejar me tha me..dear sr this u r nt doint protest against reservation rather showing ur casteist mindset which ur parents injected into ur head since childhood.thts y 7 have prob only 1 community n nt the other with ony 8 marks higher cutoff than sc..slow claps

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    2. @Vikrant Shukla: I think u should work hard first to learn basic English...its "Far beyond" not behind.I know even you could crack the civil service exam in your first attempt if u are given reservation..hai na?

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  28. the present debate over the brilliant success of a dalit girl shows how indian society still in the grip of caste biasness as it is not ready to accept the fabulous and thrilling success ever made by any girl in upsc particularly any dalit girl and boy too. some people blame govt and system that how the candidates belonging to sc/st caste use the benefits of reservation to make it out for thier respective success. some argue that they got more marks in preliminary than smart girl dabi got in pre exhibit their failure. if such candidates sure that they would get more marks in mains ; the answer is big no as there are general candidates who scored more in pre than tina but could not make it to the mains. the all attempt is to undermine the talent of the reserved category and nothing else. indian society is biased can be seen here clearly. life is not on ifs and buts but on what the world called overall success. if no caste system would prevail in our society people would never discuss it. tinba adopted clear strategy where she was ahead by others and no one can underestimate her talent particularly and dalits generally. first crack castes and caste based perks which people of higher caste often get in day to day life then reservation will automatically eliminate. one more thing god made us equal in each and every respest then how can people take it considering that dalits can not achieve great success . god made man and man made differences and it is how people talk about caste al the time. be indian first. share views with the writer on email:rkrknagar@gmail.com

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    1. people often compare sc's top to general bottom just to justify their claim and forgets to compare sc's top and general top and sc's bottom and general bottom what a fun!

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  29. https://youtu.be/kiGoZhPiZuo
    https://youtu.be/y7xTSy4P9QI
    Must watch...

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  30. We all want a reservation free India but not a caste free India. Lets just once try treating everyone the same and not label people with communities and creeds. Then there will be nobody to enjoy or criticize reservation. It is sad to see we end up to the same community issue no matter what we start with.
    We can find many who are willing to give up the privileges and many general people who are ready to treat all as one. We just need more of these numbers. Until then, if we are okay with labeling a child sc/st from the day he is born, lets not cry over the "undeserved privileges" he will enjoy after 20 years.

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  31. You should first try to sue the policy of caste discrimination then come and speak for curbing reservation. Look for both the sides of a coin. Don't just look for your own benefits, stand for a better cause.

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  32. Is everybody having problem with a DALIT topping the most prestigious exam of India. Did anybody looked into her academic profile before commenting like this. She has always been an exemplary student, reservation was never used there. And belonging to a Schedule caste is her "identity". The CASTE stereotype has never been removed from our country. All throughout generations of dalits have been suffering form this discrimination. If all the DALIT students are competing among their own seats. They are not taking seat of any GENERAL candidate. Before commenting about her and her parents just live the life of a socially discriminated person, whose success is always measured with his reservation. First give EQUALITY to all the DALITS of INDIA then talk about removing reservation!!!

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    1. I think you are forgetting one thing, she got the chance of writing the mains because of reservation only. Had she was not given the benefit of reservation, she would not have topped the exam, as she could not have written the mains. Moreover, as i believe and what the author is trying to say is that give reservation to SC/ST who really need reservation like people who are socially and educationally backward till date. People who have improved there status should be excluded from the benefit of reservation. There are still more backward both socially and economically within the SC/ST who needs and who should be given reservation rather than to giving to those who have improved there status.

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    2. Bhai dekh sidhi si bat h..govt ne in dono ko ek target diya tina ne wo target achieve kiya or us joker ne nhi kiya isliye wo apni failure ka thikea tina ko personally target krk nikal rha hai.in sab me if u have prob then propest before authority bt y this personal targettng..have v trgetted any rich general person who send their spoiled children to usa as they acquired wealth bcoz of 1000 yrs of caste based landlordism.kal me kareena kapoor ko target kru kuki uske dada k dada ko free ki jaagir mili thi.wil it.make sense..just fight against system bt no personally targetng any community ppl

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    3. Hey ....bro first listen its not about how teena dabi become a topper....its all about why a general student with more marks then teena dabi did not selected???? SECONDLY:- Now come to the point....about Teena....she is briiliant and topped as per the criteria of upsc. but have you ever think is really teena face any social decrimination ?...no she would never ...and if yes then.....the reason for that is different and that decrimition I not what we talking about that's due to behaviour.....whic is also faced by a gen person for misbehaving.......as her parents is on a one of most prestigious jobs of India so chance of any problems during study also neglected.....then how she is eligible for resrvation....only due to her berth in SC category..So just stops talking nonsens and come to the fact...kkk

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  33. Ab to man jao sb we all are equal yeah to science ne b proof kr diya hai jeen atoms se hm bne uni se pura universe bna h. Its not a rocket science to understand. Abi b hm log caste & reservation system ko pakadd kr hila rhe h. Jaroori nhi hai Jo sadiyo se chla aa rha h wo shi h. we live in a century where the only truth is science if you understand it then their is no need to cut off or to say I don't belongs to this & that category or I m superior than others or I m an rajput, thakur, st, sc, chamar, bhangi grow up guys don't you understand that their is no caste at all if it were than their is difference in peoples bahi me rajput hu isliye mere chaar haath bahi me Thakur isliye me sbse Jada thakatwar hu me hindu hu me muslim hu me sikh hu f__k it. And we all know that we all are same but we don't accept it. We youth can change this and it starts with us first change yourself than this bullish and foolish thing varnishes by itself.

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  34. Asking category students to not use the reservations is similar to asking son of Ambani to study, work hard and find a job himself. I hope you all understand that both are privileged. Tina has privilege of Reservation and Ambani's son has privilege of Dad's assets. Reservation is an asset which could be used infinite number of times in your life, whereas Dad's wealth will decrease as you burn it. Tina not using her Caste to get in though very moral but would be extremely foolish, and you don't expect such type of deeds from a general IAS OFFICER.

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    1. Let me throw some light upon the meaning of word"privilege"
      1. Privilege is looting people and taking all of their money
      2. Depriving other people of their basic human rights and docketing them as low caste and untouchables.
      3. Chicaning poor people in the name of god,seizing their hard earned money to built their own assets(generals did and are still doing doing).
      4.Privilege to be the sole owner of everything.
      5. Privileged is the general class by money(looted from people) to be able to send their offsprings for foreign study on donation basis.
      6. Privileged to be self titled "pandit"(wise man) and make religious places as means of business.

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  36. this is not just about Tina Mam . Its about millions of people suffering inequality for something that they never did. Lets change the basis of reservation and then there will be no such clashes . Fed up of this system

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  38. I don't know how son or daughters of these creamy layer people are deprived or sufferer in our present social condition for which they have to use reservation quota to come in the same level of general category. Yes it was urgent in 20th century but now the situation has changed. I really downhearted for those how actually needs reservation but can't get the chance for this type of equality , not equity policy.

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  39. I'm not against reservation, just that when generations after generations use this tactic, it is a shame. My simple take on this is that once a person uses reservation to get into a good college or job, his or her future generations should not be allowed to take reservation. In such a scenario, the person taking reservation will become more serious and better opportunities can be given to others who are economically backward.

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    2. Hey bro ..i wd like to tell u this is the frst likeable appreciable comment frm a general boy.m a kattar ambedkarite person and i also feel that 2 generation beneficiary shud b out of the system..bt reservatn shud b strictly on caste basis..obc reservation of yadav kurmi gujjar shud be eliminated outrightly.bt u dont focus on them.u jst target one comunity.ths is also a reason tht v tend to believe tht discriminatn is still there.its better u target obc than sc if u want to succeed in ur efforts..bt caste based quota shud b there.giving brahman a quota is like giving quota to white in southafrican case.which cant b justified

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  40. What i cant understnd y nobody is doing such R&D in the case of 7 th or 8th rank candidate topped with obc quota..y no one did research in case of ph quota rich girl ira singhal.y only a dali girl y just y...we all know the reason and if u ask urself u will also get the ans.its just offshoot of caste system residing in ur head n nthng else

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    1. The people who are being benefited by the reservations i.e., SC, ST want caste system more than the others. They even mention their caste as SC/ST even after the religious conversion just to avail the benefits of the system. They don't want the caste system removed because it would be a tremendous loss to them.

      Yeah, Creamy layer thing should be there in SC/ST category. It doesn't benefit the general category. But it definitely benefits the set of people who really need reservations. The economically backward SC/ST category. So, the first generation of people who availed these reservations are continuously exploiting these economically backward SC/ST population. So, next time evaluate yourself before protesting that the general category people are exploiting the SC's or ST's.

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    2. Pathetic n irrational response..u go n watch pogo.this is nt ur cup of tea

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  41. Sir, everyone here saying people who use the reservation once, shoudn't use it again. Just going by the stats, how many of the top posts have been taken up by SC/ST/OBCs? i mean top rank,like Supreme court judges, top bank officials, even Indian Defence services? What is the % of reserved people holding those positions? How many President of India from this category? One. KR Narayanan. And we have heard the talks that he was the Prez because he was from the Reserved Category! All I am trying to say is, its still very difficult for people from the reserved cat to get decent promotions or high marks. There is still a lot of discrimination going on where the interviewers and others give a high marks to people of their caste. So until the Upper caste shed their tag of being called forward caste, mix more with the lower caste people, stop discriminating on the basis of surnames, mingle more freely, it is only then that reservation can be called wrong. And no rule is fool proof. People will find loopholes and take advantage. That is the cost our nation is paying. Demand should be to create more institutions and jobs rather than fight on reservation

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    1. Yr....cast based decrimination represents what???????? did you ever faced it.......is berth in a sc/st family is pointe that you will face decrimition..???......NO buddy ....the mind of a SC and general student is same....
      Now come to the point of wealth....is every general category student belong to RICH while the SC belogs to POoR family every time????......again no.... why a student with same mind and got same education distinguishes.

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    2. So you are saying, if you take an interview, and there is a person with your caste and a person of a say lower caste, you are going to treat them only on the basis of merit and not give caste preference? if you do that you are an educated one. But unfortunately that doesnt happen. Majority of the times it doesnt. And why should I be facing discrimination? I belong to the general category,just like you.

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  42. Sir, everyone here saying people who use the reservation once, shoudn't use it again. Just going by the stats, how many of the top posts have been taken up by SC/ST/OBCs? i mean top rank,like Supreme court judges, top bank officials, even Indian Defence services? What is the % of reserved people holding those positions? How many President of India from this category? One. KR Narayanan. And we have heard the talks that he was the Prez because he was from the Reserved Category! All I am trying to say is, its still very difficult for people from the reserved cat to get decent promotions or high marks. There is still a lot of discrimination going on where the interviewers and others give a high marks to people of their caste. So until the Upper caste shed their tag of being called forward caste, mix more with the lower caste people, stop discriminating on the basis of surnames, mingle more freely, it is only then that reservation can be called wrong. And no rule is fool proof. People will find loopholes and take advantage. That is the cost our nation is paying. Demand should be to create more institutions and jobs rather than fight on reservation

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    1. Creamy layer thing should be there in SC/ST category. It won't benefit the general category. But it definitely benefits the set of people who really need reservations. The economically backward SC/ST category. So, the first generation of people who availed these reservations are continuously exploiting these economically backward SC/ST population.

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    2. Only if you can guarantee that they will never face discrimination in promotions, marks, etc once they enter the institute. Otherwise, the same thing will continue. Yes, as i said the reservation is not fool proof. And that is the cost we are paying as a nation.

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  43. It is not about criticising people who belong to SC/ST, it is about criticising our reservation system where people who do not score well get the place which they dont deserve and because of whom many deserving candidates are not able to reach at the positions they are capable of. Tina dabi with 52% is one such example. Even with all the means at her disposal and resources available, she is using caste to be at a place which she is not capable of and hence does not deserve. She has taken a place of one such candidate who had performed much better than her and may not have resources to backup his education otherwise. Shame on our reservation system n shame on people who take undue advantage of this caste system.

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  44. This comment is for the people who are commenting that we should abolish caste system first and then reservations. The people who are being benefited by the reservations i.e., SC, ST want caste system more than the others. They even mention their caste as SC/ST even after the religious conversion just to avail the benefits of the system. They don't want the caste system removed because it would be a tremendous loss to them.

    Yeah, Creamy layer thing should be there in SC/ST category. It doesn't benefit the general category. But it definitely benefits the set of people who really need reservations. The economically backward SC/ST category. So, the first generation of people who availed these reservations are continuously exploiting these economically backward SC/ST population. So, next time evaluate yourself before protesting that the general category people are exploiting the SC's or ST's.

    Is this what Babasaheb Ambedkar dreamt of? He would definitely put an end to this if he is alive now.

    Reservations are NECESSARY. But only for the deserved reserved category people not for the ones who exploit others for their growth.

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  45. Dekh Bhai..... Jo bhi ho tum log, chhatriya, brahmman, or vaishya.... Make it clear that tum logo ko competition ka drr lgta ha hmein nhi,,, coz hmne shuru se mehnat ki ha tm sb ki tarah haraam ki nhi khaai,,,,,.... Bhai tum JATIWAD KHATAM KRO, HMM RESERVATION KHATAM KR DENGE......,, agar jatiwad khatam nhi kr skte to apna muhh bnd rkho... Wo jamana chlaa gya jb dalit atyachar sahte the bcho, ab agar faltu ki bakar ki aur jatiwad dikhaya to pel diye jaogey,,,koi aur nhi pelega tmhe khud tmhare karam aur constitution book tmhe szaa denge..... I found many general caste people in IIT who were having good rank then me,,, but there c.g.p.a was far below then me,,,, kuchh ko to IIT ne nikal bhi diya,,, hme duniya Na dikhao, hmne duniya dekhi ha,,,, Jo jyada intelligent bnte the general caste main IIT ne unhe nikal diya, aur waha exams main reservation bhi nhi chlta... Smjhe idiots... Don't talk bullshit now

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    2. Oyyee....beta but pahle vnha pahuncho to khudke dam pr...iit ...vnha bhi reservation milta hai...entrance exam me....economically weak ho to scholarchip lo....SC me paida hone se dimag to barabr hi hota hai na...VAhi coaching kroge jo tumhre saath ke gen ke bande ne ki and tum usse kam no. Paa kr bhi usse acchi IIT me ho.....what is this's....??????

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    3. Bohot sahi reply bro.rational argumnt kai bar samjh nh ata inhe.17 cr sc me 1 cr b job me nh honge baki 16 cr poor..inhe ye diffrnce nh dikhta..crores ki land shops sab hadap liye.hamare log jo jobs me nh h wo sab labourer category k h..unko b land or shops do jo tumhe 1000 sal k reservatn se mila.or aj yad a rha h sabka dimag ek h croro logo ki jindagi kharab krne k bad..najane kitne log jal gye is caste ki aag me.bt they cant understand this pain.ek topper ne 6 no kya kum le liye pre me inki duniya barbad ho gai

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    4. ABE kuldeep..tu kya competition ki baat kar raha hai..open walo se aadhe sebhi kam marks lagte hai tum logo ko IIT mein ane k liye..You dont deserve to be in IIT..aur baat rahi cgpa ki..kuch nai ukhadta usse..aur tujhe bhi pata hai cgpalana is lot simpler than cacking a competitive exam..competitive exam se reservation hata diya na to kahi aukad nai rahegi tum jaise logo ki..To jo reservation mil raha hai chup chap muh jhukake fayda uthale..kyuki jis din reservation hata tu kahi ka nai rahega

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    5. Beta unknow mu jhukayega tu or tere aane wali.pidi.hum garv se kehte h hum ambedkarites hai..itna proud tuje apne dharm pe b nh hoga samjha..tere jese log yaha salo k reservatn k bad hi bhokne layak hue hai..na tere dada ko free ki jameen mili hoti na aj tere jath me ye internet hota.to shukra mana wo reservatn chal gya itne sal nh to tu.muh dikhane layak.na rehta.

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  46. Reservation has become a pain in the ass in a country where population(and hence competition) is growing at a high rate. No doubt that now the general category feel it as injustice levied on them, but more than that its injustice to General category tax payers. I agree that reservation was required due to high discrimination done on the basis of castes earlier but now the honourable supreme court needs to review the reservation system to make sure it is usable by only those who need it badly to come with the pace of society/financials.
    At least a sensible decision can be taken to limit reservation in jobs whose failures do not result in life threatening or system failure results.
    - No offence to anyone

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  47. Aur faaltu logo,wats upp? BC khatam hui k abhi aur chalegi..... Bolo bolo , faaltu ki bakar, Bhai kaam kro apna sb yaha timepass Na kro, bss burai nikalne ko bol do ek baar kisi main, saaley sb khud ko doodh ka dhula smjhne lgte hain........ Faaltu log,,,,, gaaliyaan bhi shuru ho jaegi ab, agar jyada smart bnne ki koshish ki to,,, meri jaan ye India ha,,, yaha kaam kmm faltu ki bakar jyada hoti ha ....

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  48. Ho gai bakar khatam faaltu logo, ya abhi aur chalegi,,,,,, kuchh kaam bhi kr lo ab, bss India main kisi ko kisi ki burai krne ka topic milna chahiye bsss,,,, fir dekho saarey doodh k dhuley ikkathey ho jaatey ha BC krne ko,,,,, aur ye kaun ullu ha Jo, SC caste k favour waaley qoutes delete kr rha ha be,,, himmat nhi ha kya sch logo ko dikhaney ki... Hahaha haha,,, ooo sorry log nhi, faltu log.... Hahaha sudhar jao beta, JO JAISA HOTA HA, USEY DUNIYA WAISI HI DIKHTI HA,,,, khud main to keechad bhraa ha, aur dusron main kmiyaan nikaltey hain,,,,, sudhar jao, wrna hme hi sudhaarna padegaa,,,, aur koi ha Jo BC k mood main ho, plsss welcome and share ur BC of generals pain to every one.... Hahahaha

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  49. Merit should be the top criteria in deciding such matters. If you have got the intelligence and smartness then you deserve every chance. Now, having said that, many people dont get equal opportunity to showcase their merit maybe due to ignorance or lack of sound financial background etc. When should a person enjoy reservation rights? It is when the person, due to factors beyond his or her control, was unable to prove his/her mettle. So the authirities have to look upon all the factors before deeming that this particular person needs reservation because of such and such reason. Financial background would definitely be one suchreason. Its time that the deserved gets the reservation.

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  51. The Caste system was a curse and so is the current reservation system.
    Current reservation system is nothing but another form of caste system which is continuously growing but still in its hardly identifiable form.

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  52. I also got into the college where I secured 200th rank and my friend(SC) secured 1574th rank. He was more financially stable than me still he paid 4500INR and my fees was 19000INR.Is it good to discriminate on the basis of caste?? One should provide reservation on the basis of financial status and not on caste.And the next thing the people of SC/ST/OBC are saying that they are not treated equally.Guys do you really think that if u'll excel a GEN candidate who has more potential than u then he'll treat you equally.We would have not even argued and if Tina Dabi got into mains without using reservation and instead would have given respect to her for her excellent performance.If u give up your reservation from clearing exams to get into govt. Jobs and then getting promotion on basis of your caste.I bet within span of 20 years all that discrimination will get abolished on basis of caste cause nowdays youth don't give a damn about reservation whether his or her friend is SC/ST/OBC and in relationships as well,until and unless he is becoming hindrance in his professional career.Let the deserving one's should get the reservation.
    Thankyou

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  53. The truth is ki st/sc walo k sath unequality sadiyo se chlti aa rhi ti and reservation ki wajah se ab kafi kuch balance ho chuka hai . but right now India don't need caste reservation people's now starting to understand the value of human and that human race cannot be divided in to the caste system we all are equal and should get equal opportunities. Agar govt. Ko reservation dena hi hai toh un logo ko de Jo financially kamjor hai aur yeah reservation sirf fees, aur baki k karche Jo ki kai log afford nhi kr skte bs iske basis pe hi hona chayie not for competitive exams and govt. Jobs kyunki padahi or gyaan or science k liye hr bacha equal hai wahaan sirf aapki mehanat or appki knowledge hi kaam aati hai. Hm youth Jo ki ish baat ko ache se samajte aur jante hai jaisa ki sbke comment me dikh rha hai aise sbi reservation k boxes Jo ki OBC ST/SC walo k liye hote hai blank chodd dene chayie yahaan tk ki general wala b.

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  54. When are people going to understand
    Sc/st need respect not reservation.

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  55. When are people going to understand
    Sc/st need respect not reservation.

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  56. The epicentre of morden day castism is not "Varna".It is more to do with prejudice, which is v obvious.Even if u reverse the caps from the caste , problem will remain. However evidently deprivation should constitute as a reason for reservation. Ancestral course for taking advantage is more like monarchy.

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  57. In 21st century, It's good to see our India still under the influence of castism same as of 80s.
    Really appreciate Our system. 1 side there are fundamental rights ( right to equality) 2nd side we have still r system.

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  58. The epicentre of morden day castism is not "Varna".It is more to do with prejudice, which is v obvious.Even if u reverse the caps from the caste , problem will remain. However evidently deprivation should constitute as a reason for reservation. Ancestral course for taking advantage is more like monarchy.

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  59. Bhai respect to khoob mil rhi ha SC waalon ko u.p. main,,, roj unki bahan betiyon k sath RAPE ho rhe hain,,,, kya bdla ,kuchh nhi.... Aur rape kaun krta ha, aap jaise ijjat waaley dabang general caste k log...... Aapko shayad isme mjaa aata hoga, hmm ???

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  60. Very good
    Ise kahate h "Bharatiya sanvidhan me samanata ka adhikar"....... Ha ha ha.

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  61. Just ask yourself one think. If this wonderful girl goes for an arranged marriage, how many of u general guys and their families will agree to marry her? No one I think. As long as this castism exits in our society, u have no right to raise your voice against reservation.

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  62. Why their should not be nationalisation of education on the line of bank nationalisation. Lets make the play ground leval for all and abolish reservation. Every kid of the age of 5 yrs be the national assets and all the expenditure for his grooming should be born by state and than abolish reservation. Every one should get a fair chance to prove himself.

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  63. Why their should not be nationalisation of education on the line of bank nationalisation. Lets make the play ground leval for all and abolish reservation. Every kid of the age of 5 yrs be the national assets and all the expenditure for his grooming should be born by state and than abolish reservation. Every one should get a fair chance to prove himself.

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  64. good article.. but now its the high time to review reservation policy. there must be a higher limit of using reservation policy, for example if any candidate used his reservation policy for once he must be deprived of reservation in further exams.

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  66. what an oeuvre ?.... ten on ten

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  67. Currently i am studying in 3rd year engineering... when i was preparing for jee .. i had few students in my class who were of sc/st category... and none of them was poor... everyone's parents were working in government sector... they were economically better than me... i had more marks than them in cet as well as jee... but they got selected in a good collage and i am studying in a normal college... also in future they will get into government sector on big posts and i will be working at some small firms.... this is what reservation does... the deserved are left behind and the reserved gets ahead... what idls the need of reservation then.... the real needy people don't get the reservation and the one who don't have need of reservation gets it.... this is injustice to the poor class of both general as well as category candidates... one cannot live with injustice..and so the general category people goes to foreign where their talent is appreciated.... just hate this system... which is gonna take india backwards... ahame on this system

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    1. Are Abhi tk tumhari samajh nhi aaya itne comments padh k ki problem is caste... If there is no caste then there will not be any reservation... Try to solve this problem... If u really want reservation free India..

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  68. It is not just Tina..I have a very good example in my circle wherein the girl never revealed to anyone that she has reservation and then secretively goes to IIM Bangalore despite of an average CAT. It seems reservation is used as a third alternative to hard-work, money and intelligence by the SC/STs

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  69. Injustices in society/culture have led to the decline & extinction of several well developed societies.
    Take example from the Mughals (Injustices against Hindus & Sikhs) or British or any other empire or civilization. This is just the tip of the iceberg. Poor Dalits are getting poorer, Middle class Upper Castes are also getting poorer, but rich Dalits are getting richer, such is this flawed reservation system.

    If remains unchanged, this system will eat up everything good. Deserving people will be left out of the system.
    India's talent will stand no match to the other nations'.

    India is on the path of decline.

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  70. What I admire about this blog and even more the comments from both sides is the free and fair (by and large) exchange of views. It is such exchange alone that will eventually lead to some settlement of the issue. No one can deny that there can be two views of this issue. It is important that each side must also look at the views of the other sides. The logical views put forward by each side has filled me with optimism that this issue will be settled without untoward acrimony by the next generation! Jai Hind!

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  71. You all r seeing Tina dabi's case...have u ever visited to villages.. Have u seen the condition of dalit?? We all r proudly saying we all r belonging to fast growing and developing society..but is it feasible?? OK...vry nicely saying sc/St students r not so brilliant , they r not hard working..u r completely wrong....when a minister's son get a mla or mp ticket no body question??y??? They r also getting previlaged and they r the one who ruin the India...u all r posting about discrimination in study?? OK...have u idea how much difficulty a dalit faces in his/her lyf.. Who made all this discrimination?? U higher caste people segregated dalit from all sectors...now tell how many bramhins are below property line...it is vry rare. And have u gone through a life of a dalit?? U must not b . More than 95% dalit r below poverty line .do society accept dalit?? No... They r not allowed to temples, debarred from opening any shops in villages..have u heard a bramhin married to dalit?? Never..then y?? Every where thr is caste system from school to colleges to work field. Once people noticed u belongs to dalit. Their mentality instantly changed..do u have answer?? All bramhin and higher caste r previlaged in India to do wht ever they want ..then y not a dalit?? Think twice before commenting on caste system.....

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  72. If economic condition is the only factor u want to consider for the reservation, don't tell anyone caste and don't register caste of ur children And let ur sisters brothers son daughters marry intercast. Allow them to have love with lower caste. If you feel your sister or brother shouldn't marry lower caste male or female then you have lost your right to say remove reservation.

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  73. Guys... Reservation means govt should support financially , I mean govt can wave off fees, not Marks or age of students.

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  75. I am also in OBC reservation quota, but I am not using for any job opportunities because my father is in good position. We should think, everyone says don't use the quota, but they use. Same thing happened with TINA DHABI, she is only 22 years. She should understand that the need of quota, she is from strong financial background. If she apply without quota reservation and she may not qualify the UPSC service.

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    1. Obc walo ne hi asli naas mara hua h desh ka..croro.ki jameen.jat gujjaro ki gunda gardi.politics.me corrption or unko.free.me bata reservation..na kabi casteoam jhela fr b reservatn mila pada h..or ye log target krte h sc ko or asli malai kha rhe ho tum log..ias.ki cutoff dekh lo sc or obc ki same hai..rbi me sc ki cutoff obc se jyada thi is sal..lekin tum drame b karte ho me reservation nh leta.bakwas band kr or apne obc bhaiyo se keh k reservatn na le.unka.koi haq nh ispe.ladai hamare logo ne ladi.malai tum.kha rhe ho..wah wah

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  76. Are bhai...the topic is very easy to conclude now..."REMOVE CASTE SYSTEM" n feel the Equilibrium of Equality . Everyone should be declared as HUMAN in caste block of every official document.A very simple solution to the problem:):)

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  77. Are bhai...the topic is very easy to conclude now..."REMOVE CASTE SYSTEM" n feel the Equilibrium of Equality . Everyone should be declared as HUMAN in caste block of every official document.A very simple solution to the problem:):)

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  78. Do you have any substantial proof to backup what was tina dabi's preparation strategy?its just your assumption that she did not need to prepare much for prelims. She could have been sick or well on the day of Prelims, do we know that? Based on assumptions & guesses we can't pull down a person. last year when a PH candidate topped,am surprised no one tried to dig out her prelims marks.
    An SC is somehow never acceptable, even if the SC tops, she or he has to face the backlash. And that's precisely why SC,ST require reservation, for the rampant social prejudice against them

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  79. You have made tons of assumptions in Tina's case. How do you know that she didn't face any social discrimination?

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  80. You have made tons of assumptions in Tina's case. How do you know that she didn't face any social discrimination?

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  81. The thing is if Tina Dabi had not become AIR 1, there was no such issue like this. Are SCs and STs as they become economically well off, do you think they will not face any discrimination? Discrimination is there from our childhood to even till becoming a member of Parliament. As an SC Student, I too want India to be a Reservation-free country, but before that, I strongly demand Caste Free India. Dalits are not responsible for Caste System being continued. It is ill will of our politicians and Caste Hindus who are responsible for this. In India, we are yet to become Indians as one say he/she is General Category, OBC, SC, ST and others. Remove Caste, Reservation automatically follow.

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  82. The only thing I would say that reservation should not be on caste basis. It should be on economical condition of candidate. Reservation is blot in our society. Reservation only exist because of vote bank politics. Shame on people who support reservation.

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  83. People talking about "Caste based reservation" here... No one dares to put an end to caste system, but everyone points a finger at caste based reservation.. Irony.. SC and ST collectively get reservation of about 22.5% even in parliament too. So, why can't the rest of MPs bring a bill forward for stopping caste and caste based reservation system??

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  84. Can be made mandatory for a reserved candidate to mention their status on their cards boards,they won't agree bec they want to have their cake n eat it too as for dalits having poor conditions in villages so do higher caste living in poor condition we have no problem with reservation but a person should be able to avail it only once in his life ,if u have got a job using reservation then y again do u need it for promotion.and yes shame on ppl who are availing reservations for 3 generations when actual dalits are still not able to use it

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  85. I agreed that we should appreciate tina dhabi for her achievement.....Rservation is framed for up liftment of deprived groups and called them dalits. This was fr only ten years.....but yes this is india all policies are decided by our politician....they r using it fr their vote banks.....i don't understand a child whose parents r in IES....she is frm deprived grp and what about those general group children whose parents t not efficient to earn and fulfill basic need of their family they r sacrificing and spend their all money on child education.....what do u think....these people do not need reservation.....nw reservation should be based on economical status instead of caste....dalit creamy layer r enjoying reservation....people who r really needy they r not aware about it.....we should stop here to blame someone.....there is need of change

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  86. My understanding of why reservations have been introduced is to overcome the social barriers in india. The economic barriers although a huge issue could be better battled through proper taxation? People tackle the proof of existence of social barrier rather vaguely. There is no factual basis to why people claim the existence or non-existence of social barriers in anybody's argument. The percentage of population in the argued positions should reflect the percent of said caste/gender/category in India if there were no social barriers such as discrimination. Are they the same? I am having trouble finding such important data for this discussion.That would determine whether or not reservation is necessary in my opinion. How the reservations is executed is also up for discussion of course but I think not until we determine if it is necessary first.

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  87. I want to start a group which would include people from general and obc and would like to be called DALIT.

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  88. There is a very simple question to be asked here, of all the reservation candidates who are using reservation to go forward, if tomorrow govt. nullify all the surnames in Indian society, govt. will impose strict punishment to anyone behaving or discriminating against any cast, no one will call them anything will they give up reservation privileges for this privilege. This simple answer will determine who is at an advantage and who is not. And as for the elephant in the room, there are poor people in all casts in India and everyone has to work their way forward, if the govt. really wants to help the poor and not care about vote bank then improve conditions of govt. schools and create meritocracy based financial aid to deserving students and increase vocational colleges with scholarships for poor students.

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  89. Is Laski ki galti ye h k isne reserved caste se form bhara itne achche background hone k baad bhi , ab samjh aa RHA h is desh se reservation khatam kyun nahi ho RHA h bcs aise log IAS banege to reservation khatam hone se RHA..

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  90. Due to some percentage of SC/ST candidates like Tina, the remaining percentage have to go through this blame game.
    The rules(reservations) are always laid in such a way that it covers all the special cases.In a country like India with huge population, satisfying every special case with a rule is difficult. Not impossible but difficult.

    SC ST OBC these categories have been treated miserably from ages by our ancestors. And even today most of them are. People with these casts are looked at differently by many still today.
    Giving reservations was a way of bringing these categories forward and make them feel they are no less, giving them an upper hand.
    Again taking the example of Tina, her ancestors belonged to SC and they must have gone through the worst in their time, But now if we look at Tina and her parents, they have grown stronger, stronger than ever. This was the whole point of the rules which were laid, giving power to the weak. Let them thrive. The rules have somehow managed to give justice to Tina's ancestors. So I say Go Tina, be proud and be thankful to your blood because they have paid a price to take you where you are today and don't let people pull you down.

    The day when the percentage of people like Tina would go up to a satisfying level which would mean that the rules laid were successful in empowering the underprivileged, which would mean that a balance has been struck. I'm hopeful and I'm pretty sure that the rules would be revised again to bring in reservation w.r.t. income and not caste. Just the same way as the creamy layer rule was added later. But I'm afraid today is not that day but i'm hopeful it's not very far off as well.

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    1. dear first of all as you already said that hew family already has grown up. then why still, she want to use her reservation profit. i know that she could be do without reservation, but she did not.

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  91. lots of discussion have been done by so many peoples. but my dear rich dalit fellows, please just use your commonsense ok. from my point of view, if tina dabi is going to handle a district. how she has done justice with country. if she knows reservation must be in basis of poverty level. then why she want take advantage of reservation whether she is belongs to a rich family.
    if she is doing injustice with country now then how can we predict about our future.

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  92. Heard that million privileged people have been willingly drop their LPG subsidy, wow. That insinuate a thought to me, "could privileged ppl willingly drop their cast based reservation for their self respect and to benefit actual needy?"

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  93. Heard that million privileged people have been willingly drop their LPG subsidy, wow. That insinuate a thought to me, "could privileged ppl willingly drop their cast based reservation for their self respect and to benefit actual needy?"

    #MyPersonalView

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  94. Don't say IIT and IIM's are temples... SC people are not allowed even in many temples.. Because of their caste only....

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  95. For ppl talking about social discrimination for backward castes of being economically sound should remember that discrimination is the fashion now a days everyone has to face it and prove themselves.. a student from rural background is discriminated when he goes to cities for studies, a student from a backward state is discriminated when he/she movemoves tier A cities of developed states, a student who has not done his/her schooling from a reputed school is discriminated against others when he/she goes for higher education in a good institute, dark complexion ppl, not so good looking individual are discriminated by rest.. even wards of rich parents do discriminate against the poor, a person with good job discriminate the unemployed .so is there in every walk of life.. if reservation need to be given against one another is for ppl to decide who bats for it in the name of discrimination.. all these discrimination don't deter people in walks of life to ask for reservations.. the take it in their stride and prove themselves to the world that they were not born privileged but they vll prove their worth.. hope I make some sense..

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  96. For ppl talking about social discrimination for backward castes of being economically sound should remember that discrimination is the fashion now a days everyone has to face it and prove themselves.. a student from rural background is discriminated when he goes to cities for studies, a student from a backward state is discriminated when he/she movemoves tier A cities of developed states, a student who has not done his/her schooling from a reputed school is discriminated against others when he/she goes for higher education in a good institute, dark complexion ppl, not so good looking individual are discriminated by rest.. even wards of rich parents do discriminate against the poor, a person with good job discriminate the unemployed .so is there in every walk of life.. if reservation need to be given against one another is for ppl to decide who bats for it in the name of discrimination.. all these discrimination don't deter people in walks of life to ask for reservations.. the take it in their stride and prove themselves to the world that they were not born privileged but they vll prove their worth.. hope I make some sense..

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  97. Dear Ankit Srivastav.... She got less marks than you in Prelims... Obviously much lesser than so many other general candidate also. Prelims is only qualifying exam...
    But in mains exams She got more marks than any other candidate. That's why she got First Rank.
    Prelims is mostly fact based mostly but Mains is about Concepts. It is about who can understand India in a well manner for serving that's why she got selected.
    2nd thing everyone should get chance to serve the country as a civil servant therefore only CIVIL SERVICE is the exams where a candidate getting 33% MARKS (MERELY PASS) can apply for the exams. and there are so many examples of general candidate (I do remember) who passed at Xth and XIIth and Graduate level with very less marks but selected in Civil Service with under 100 Ranks. there are candidate who got there BA from correspondence with very less marks but cleared CIVIL SERVICE EXAM with good ranks. (iska matlab to ye hua ki jitney logo ke 10th, 12th and Graduation me less marks aaye and they cleared IAS to unhone gunah kar diya..) SAMAJH AA GAYA HO GAYA SHAAYAD KI SHE GOT LESS MARKS IN PRELIMS (WHICH IS QUALIFYING) but became topper in mains which is not qualifying.. Please broad your mentality...

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  98. Jo log upper caste k hain unhe to humesha padhne ka mauka mila to unhe to financially strong hona chahiye....agar unhone education milne k baad bhi padha nhi aur financially weak hain to isme unki galati hai..... Ab agar hume padhne ka mauka mila hai to kyu beech me aa rhe hain.... Ab jo kiya hai abhi tk (social discrimination) uska result dekhne me kyu darr rhe ho...?? Aur koi kisi ki baatein to samjhta nhi hai to kuch bhi bolne ka faida nhi hai... Sb apni bolte hai lekin koi kisi ki nhi sunta...

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  99. Jo log upper caste k hain unhe to humesha padhne ka mauka mila to unhe to financially strong hona chahiye....agar unhone education milne k baad bhi padha nhi aur financially weak hain to isme unki galati hai..... Ab agar hume padhne ka mauka mila hai to kyu beech me aa rhe hain.... Ab jo kiya hai abhi tk (social discrimination) uska result dekhne me kyu darr rhe ho...?? Aur koi kisi ki baatein to samjhta nhi hai to kuch bhi bolne ka faida nhi hai... Sb apni bolte hai lekin koi kisi ki nhi sunta...

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  100. Don't say IIT and IIM's are temples... SC people are not allowed even in many temples.. Because of their caste only....

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  101. It is very hard to get out of these issues as benefited by any means don't want to oppose it. Only non beneficiaries speak out. Main issue is no. Of jobs can never be equal to no. Of person.Government also know if all become equal than the country will not run.Only exceptional cases we discuss.

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  102. It is very hard to get out of these issues as benefited by any means don't want to oppose it. Only non beneficiaries speak out. Main issue is no. Of jobs can never be equal to no. Of person.Government also know if all become equal than the country will not run.Only exceptional cases we discuss.

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  103. Now General is also a category...Government please make creamy and non creamy layer between us......

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  104. Now General is also a category...Government please make creamy and non creamy layer between us......

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  105. Giving it a general thought..I absolutely hate it when people associate these baseless nonsensical norms in the name of culture..
    I mean forget reservation, the very idea of caste system (especially the upper and the lower caste bifurcation) aches every logical bone in my body. I just don't understand how social stratification comes with a surname.
    And on top of that we claim that it is right only because our great forefathers created it for reasons.
    I feel sorry for all those ignorant beings who think that birth defines your right or access to anything.
    And talking about the so called origin of the system , it was done on the basis of one's work and not name.. a person was called Brahmin if he taught and had vedic knowledge not because his father is some so and so Mishra. And a Brahmin's son or daughter used to become Kshatriya if he or she opted to learn and practice warfare. Similarly any one used to be called shudra (the so called lower caste) if he opted to be a painter by profession.
    This was Our culture!
    Its a shame how people gave preference to some caste and tag the ones who didn't get that preference by giving them unfair reservation in the name of our culture!
    This is just one case that comes in light but when you think of it you all must have names in your head who got the same privileges and didn't deserve them.
    Its time we change the criteria from a stupid surname and give it to those who really need it, financially not socially.

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  107. Tina Dabi case is different, i strongly oppose the reservatin system .. Here atlease tina dabi have brain and she know read and write ... i remember my time when i was doing my industrail training in a reputated go institute and oh my gosh all big manager and rank holder are from so call sc or obc quote none of them had manners as well as education.. they use their card to get job but dont know anything... however today sc st obc become inteliigent ,,, they giving their kids good education and finally their kids use same card but with good mind to grab job ... a day will come when general candidate will be like sc and we have to uplift them ... however ankit shrivastav mention in his letter sub kuch chod chad kar videsh chala jaun and nokri karu are bhaiya videsh mein bhi indians logo ki koi izzat nahi hain

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  108. Im sure that if reservation gets removed today we will get better quality ias and other officers than Tina Dabi who knows the worth of qualifying examinations without reservation

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  109. Appreciate this writer for posting detailed analysis and facts, i would say its candidate's wish & choice to utilise his/her Academic background,Social & economic status for appearing any competitive exam. Should always find a smart way to grab the opportunity. Amid all debates, i congratulate Ms.Tina & Mr.Kuldeep for their success.These are quite sensible matters to deal with.

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  110. Individuals like 'Deepti Chandra' are the reason why today our country is trapped in reservation.....these kind of people simply dont understand the difference between reservation and economically weaker sections....

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  111. @vishal gupta. I may want to disagree with you. I would like to share my very exp on cased based discrimination which i faced almost a year ago. http://tapaskm.blogspot.in/2015/03/what-had-happened-then-and-what-is.html?m=1

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  112. Nice point. Using economic or financial status is one point to look at this but is it the only one? In a society where Dalits are still lagging on political and social scales, how can financial conditions be the only benchmark? Maybe, because Generals only face class discrimination which purely based on one's wealth. So they use same yardstick to judge all discrimination. This argument also loses steam as soon as one points out that Society discriminates against creamy layered Dalits too. And, to finish, let me add that, Basis of Reservation is Representation, it's not a poverty alleviation scheme. Better financial condition is a spin off not the purpose. It's purpose is to give voice to millions who have been denied basic human rights for millennial.

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  113. this is known as discrimination....

    http://indianexpress.com/article/india/india-news-india/dalit-youths-murder-girls-father-surrenders-video-of-attack-goes-viral/

    http://www.ndtv.com/india-news/in-a-rajasthan-village-dalit-children-are-afraid-to-go-to-school-1230415

    http://www.ndtv.com/india-news/in-a-rajasthan-village-dalit-children-are-afraid-to-go-to-school-1230415

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/bhopal/Thirsty-dalit-boy-drowns-in-well-after-denied-water-from-school-hand-pump/articleshow/51334622.cms

    yes reservation is not able to remove discrimination completely...but it has reduced it...and tina dabi is perfect example of it..nd u guys wanted to remove reservation because of her..wht abt the others dalits...remember guys 70% of the population lives in rural areas...nd we all know what kind of discrimination exist in rural areas...even my father told me...beta shaadi kisi se bhi karna wo sc aur muslim naa hooo....now dis level of discrimination exist in society u dont want to remove that but u want to remove reservation...

    last thing.... cut off for general category is 107 ....so marks obtained in 2nd paper does not counts...

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